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    From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dmxrob on Thu Aug 27 09:39:00 2026
    Re: Re: I just installed sync
    By: Dmxrob to Knight Shadow on Thu Aug 27 2026 10:22 am

    I think the biggest barrier to entry is people don't know how to access boards. We need a well-used, modern access program - SyncTerm is about all I know of, and it's decent but not all that intuitive at at times.

    There is also the mobile barrier... BBS systems are just not designed for mobile interaction.

    But I have hope!

    I've thought about this before, and I always tend to feel like technology did evolve already, including things accessible from mobile devices etc., and that evolution didn't really include BBSes. As far as the text terminal side of BBSes, I feel like including easy mobile access may be difficult. There are ANSI BBS compatible terminal apps for mobile devices, but I feel like it's very awkward to use, with small text and the virtual on-screen keyboards. With a mobile device, I feel like at least a tablet (for the screen size) and a physical keyboard would be more ideal, and that still leaves phones out.

    If you just want to paticipate in the messagebases, there are web interfaces for BBSes which I think can be made easy to access on a mobile device. However, there have been concerns about privacy that way. Also, some countries are starting to send police to peoples' homes for posting things online that they deem unacceptable things to share, and having a web interface for a BBS would probably trigger that. I suppose having a telnet interface may trigger that too, since it's on the internet, but I doubt they pursue that route very much.

    Nightfox

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  • From Bluesfyre@VERT/CERTONT to Nightfox on Thu Aug 27 18:37:00 2026
    Re: Back to BBSing
    By: Nightfox to Dmxrob on Thu Aug 27 2026 09:39:36


    terminal side of BBSes, I feel like including easy mobile access may be difficult. There are ANSI BBS compatible terminal apps for mobile devices, but I feel like it's very awkward to use, with small text and the virtual

    Does Synchronet not have a web-based access as well as ANet.

    Bluesfyre

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  • From awehttam@VERT/ALTERANT to Bluesfyre on Thu Aug 27 18:05:00 2026
    On August 27 2026, Bluesfyre wrote:
    Re: Back to BBSing
    By: Nightfox to Dmxrob on Thu Aug 27 2026 09:39:36


    terminal side of BBSes, I feel like including easy mobile access may
    be
    difficult. There are ANSI BBS compatible terminal apps for mobile
    devices,
    but I feel like it's very awkward to use, with small text and the
    virtual

    Does Synchronet not have a web-based access as well as ANet.

    They do as does BinktermPHP.

    I think it's inevitible that modern BBS software will have web support of some sort. Mobile telnet interfaces are a pain.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Bluesfyre on Thu Aug 27 19:09:00 2026
    Re: Back to BBSing
    By: Bluesfyre to Nightfox on Thu Aug 27 2026 06:37 pm

    terminal side of BBSes, I feel like including easy mobile access may be
    difficult. There are ANSI BBS compatible terminal apps for mobile
    devices, but I feel like it's very awkward to use, with small text and
    the virtual

    Does Synchronet not have a web-based access as well as ANet.

    There is a web-based telnet client called fTelnet that has become fairly popular, and I believe is included with ecwebv4, but it doesn't really solve the problem on mobile devices - I feel like it's still a bit awkward to use due to the small text and virtual on-screen keyboard.

    What do you mean by "ANet"?

    Nightfox

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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Nightfox on Fri Aug 28 15:20:00 2026
    On 27 Aug 2026, Nightfox said the following...

    I've thought about this before, and I always tend to feel like
    technology did evolve already, including things accessible from mobile devices etc., and that evolution didn't really include BBSes.

    yep. web forums, tapatalk and similar mobile apps, facebook and reddit (wildly unpopular with the younger generations) and now Discord, which they use as basically a big searchable forum with various pinned threads.

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to awehttam on Fri Aug 28 16:28:00 2026
    Hey awehttam!

    On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 18:05:50 -0700, you wrote:

    I think it's inevitible that modern BBS software will have web support
    of some sort. Mobile telnet interfaces are a pain.

    Web support is perfectly fine, in my opinion. However, require a logged in user for read access. Guests, web crawlers, etc. shouldn't be able to read messages without authentication.

    At least I think that's why this conversation started in the first place. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Accession on Fri Aug 28 18:13:00 2026
    Re: Back to BBSing
    By: Accession to awehttam on Fri Aug 28 2026 04:28 pm

    Web support is perfectly fine, in my opinion. However, require a logged in user for read access. Guests, web crawlers, etc. shouldn't be able to read messages without authentication.

    I think that's a good idea; maybe I'll look into securing my BBS a bit more so that the forum messages aren't visible/readable on the web side if a user isn't authenticated. With Synchronet, I'm curious if there's an ARS keyword to specify that (maybe there is), though offhand, I recall being able to add ARS such as "PROT NOT HTTP" - with that, I'd expeect that the forums just wouldn't show up at all on the web side, whether authenticated or not.

    Nightfox

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  • From awehttam@VERT/ALTERANT to Accession on Fri Aug 28 18:14:00 2026
    On August 28 2026, Accession wrote:
    Hey awehttam!

    On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 18:05:50 -0700, you wrote:

    I think it's inevitible that modern BBS software will have web support
    of some sort. Mobile telnet interfaces are a pain.

    Web support is perfectly fine, in my opinion. However, require a
    logged in user for read access. Guests, web crawlers, etc. shouldn't
    be able to read messages without authentication.

    Well, "they're not supposed to" at least depending on a given
    network/area's rules. BinktermPHP doesn't even allow this, although
    individual messages can be shared - something I opted to do for sharing
    items of interest with those who otherwise who might be interested in a
    BBS post.


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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Fri Aug 28 21:20:00 2026
    Hey Nightfox!

    On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 18:13:46 -0700, you wrote:

    I think that's a good idea; maybe I'll look into securing my BBS a bit
    more so that the forum messages aren't visible/readable on the web side
    if a user isn't authenticated. With Synchronet, I'm curious if there's
    an ARS keyword to specify that (maybe there is), though offhand, I
    recall being able to add ARS such as "PROT NOT HTTP" - with that, I'd expeect that the forums just wouldn't show up at all on the web side, whether authenticated or not.

    I think just using "NOT GUEST" on your message sub-boards is enough. To be fair, I wouldn't want a Guest account roaming around the message bases on the actual BBS, either. That's just me, though.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to awehttam on Fri Aug 28 21:22:00 2026
    Hey awehttam!

    On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 18:14:56 -0700, you wrote:

    Well, "they're not supposed to" at least depending on a given
    network/area's rules. BinktermPHP doesn't even allow this, although individual messages can be shared - something I opted to do for sharing items of interest with those who otherwise who might be interested in a
    BBS post.

    As DM described, he allows the sysop to make that call. Unfortunately, not all sysops know how to make that call, and a default setup for a new message base allows guest access to read them, which means it's also open to read without authentication on the web.

    To be clear, it's no fault of the software, or DM's choice that the sysop ultimately should make that call. It's usually just unknowing sysops that have to be informed (and maybe even shown) to make those changes - per any network/area's rules, of course.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Accession on Sat Aug 29 03:01:00 2026
    Re: Back to BBSing
    By: Accession to awehttam on Fri Aug 28 2026 04:28 pm

    Hey awehttam!

    On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 18:05:50 -0700, you wrote:

    I think it's inevitible that modern BBS software will have web support
    of some sort. Mobile telnet interfaces are a pain.

    Web support is perfectly fine, in my opinion. However, require a logged in user for read access. Guests, web crawlers, etc. shouldn't be able to read messages without authentication.

    At least I think that's why this conversation started in the first place. ;) >
    Regards,
    Nick

    this is me again, pointing out that MANY MANY years ago, when i was a young Lad, i bitched that having our msg bases on the internet x100 was a bad idea.

    Nobody backed me up. DM liked it.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to awehttam on Sat Aug 29 03:03:00 2026
    Re: Re: Back to BBSing
    By: awehttam to Accession on Fri Aug 28 2026 06:14 pm

    Well, "they're not supposed to" at least depending on a given
    network/area's rules. BinktermPHP doesn't even allow this, although individual messages can be shared - something I opted to do for sharing
    items of interest with those who otherwise who might be interested in a
    BBS post.


    Synchronet bbs has BY DEFAULT had the web open to crawlers for a very long time.

    It doesn't matter what a new ai generated bbs forum thing does now.
    It's too fucking late.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Accession on Sat Aug 29 03:05:00 2026
    Re: Back to BBSing
    By: Accession to awehttam on Fri Aug 28 2026 09:22 pm

    all sysops know how to make that call, and a default setup for a new message base allows guest access to read them, which means it's also open to read without authentication on the web.

    To be clear, it's no fault of the software, or DM's choice that the sysop ultimately should make that call. It's usually just unknowing sysops that have to be informed (and maybe even shown) to make those changes - per any network/area's rules, of course.


    it absolutely is the fault of the software. synchronet is a bbs is a box and It has been configured to be wide open for web crawlers for decades.

    it is pre-configured to have msg areas open to the public. sysops have to take Action to change that. Most do not know how to do such a thing.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Sat Aug 29 08:39:00 2026
    Nightfox wrote to Accession <=-

    I think that's a good idea; maybe I'll look into securing my BBS a bit more so that the forum messages aren't visible/readable on the web side
    if a user isn't authenticated.

    There is a way to do it with ARS - I just set Guest to LEVEL 40, set my
    local board access string to LEVEL 40 and set all of my networked
    message areas to LEVEL 50.

    That way, my local boards are available to guests but not the networks.

    I'm sure there's a better way to do it now. Looking at the wiki, I
    think setting the ARS to NOT GUEST would do it.





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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Accession on Sat Aug 29 15:01:00 2026
    Re: Back to BBSing
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Fri Aug 28 2026 09:20 pm

    I think that's a good idea; maybe I'll look into securing my BBS a bit more
    so that the forum messages aren't visible/readable on the web side if a

    I think just using "NOT GUEST" on your message sub-boards is enough. To be fair, I wouldn't want a Guest account roaming around the message bases on the actual BBS, either. That's just me, though.

    Ah, yes, that would probably work.

    Nightfox

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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Nightfox on Sun Aug 30 00:22:00 2026
    On 28 Aug 2026, Nightfox said the following...

    Re: Back to BBSing
    By: Accession to awehttam on Fri Aug 28 2026 04:28 pm

    Web support is perfectly fine, in my opinion. However, require a logg user for read access. Guests, web crawlers, etc. shouldn't be able to messages without authentication.

    I think that's a good idea; maybe I'll look into securing my BBS a bit more so that the forum messages aren't visible/readable on the web side
    if a user isn't authenticated. With Synchronet, I'm curious if there's
    an ARS keyword to specify that (maybe there is), though offhand, I
    recall being able to add ARS such as "PROT NOT HTTP" - with that, I'd expeect that the forums just wouldn't show up at all on the web side, whether authenticated or not.

    this would be annoying. i sometimes look at DM's bbs to see if anyone posted anything and if it's worth logging in to read stuff. if he didn't i'd just look at someone else's bbs instead.

    do you want to have someone not use your bbs because of something like that?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to fusion on Mon Aug 31 09:32:00 2026
    Re: Re: Back to BBSing
    By: fusion to Nightfox on Sun Aug 30 2026 12:22 am

    I think that's a good idea; maybe I'll look into securing my BBS a bit
    more so that the forum messages aren't visible/readable on the web side

    this would be annoying. i sometimes look at DM's bbs to see if anyone posted anything and if it's worth logging in to read stuff. if he didn't i'd just look at someone else's bbs instead.

    do you want to have someone not use your bbs because of something like that?

    There are definitely tradeoffs. I think the issue is that internet social media activity is being increasingly monitored by certain governments, and they can decide to send police to peoples' homes if they deem someone has posted something online that they don't like.

    Nightfox

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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to NIGHTFOX on Mon Aug 31 20:35:00 2026
    NIGHTFOX wrote to FUSION <=-



    There are definitely tradeoffs. I think the issue is that internet social media activity is being increasingly monitored by certain governments, and they can decide to send police to peoples' homes if
    they deem someone has posted something online that they don't like.
    I jokingly say I need to be on my best behaviour next week. The UK doesnt
    like meant things said over actual physical crime.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Matthew Munson on Tue Sep 1 18:01:00 2026
    Re: Re: Back to BBSing
    By: Matthew Munson to NIGHTFOX on Mon Aug 31 2026 08:35 pm

    I jokingly say I need to be on my best behaviour next week. The UK doesnt like meant things said over actual physical crime.

    I'm concerned about governments policing what people say online. Is there any public protest or anything about that in the UK?

    Nightfox

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Matthew Munson on Wed Sep 2 10:55:00 2026
    Re: Re: Back to BBSing
    By: Matthew Munson to NIGHTFOX on Mon Aug 31 2026 20:35:00

    The UK doesnt like meant things said over actual physical crime.

    Can you rephrase?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mortar on Wed Sep 2 21:39:00 2026
    Re: Re: Back to BBSing
    By: Mortar to Matthew Munson on Wed Sep 02 2026 10:55 am

    The UK doesnt like meant things said over actual physical crime.

    Can you rephrase?

    I think the general gist of it was that the UK government (and police) tend to prioritize things said online that they consider 'bad' rather than going after physical crimes.

    Nightfox

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